we've seen them, you know, the christmas day plot to blow up an airliner go approximating into detroit a few years back. this use of cargo planes to try to move moneyicians into the united states. i think aqap is seen as being of the various al qaeda offshoots particularly good at certain types of moneyicians or bomb making which could be deployed, you know, in europe or the united states that i think made people in the intelligence community particularly nervous with all this chatter. there is one bomb maker a saudi which works with aqap, there were some reports he had been killed in some of the drone strikes in yemen. i don't think people are totally sure. but the expertise he developed i think is believed to have lived on within this one al qaeda affiliate. and that's part of the threat that has made people really nervous. >> rose: what was his name, al cece was the last name, correct. >> so peter what you can tell us about aqap? >> well, you know the blom maker we're describing, he is 0 for 4 with the number of serious plots. he tried to kill the saudi minister of inter who is resp